This is cool (political post):

"Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S." (calebms)
06/22/2016 at 14:02 • Filed to: None

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Look, I know we don’t always appreciate political posts here (or Gawker), but I have to share. Details after the jump.

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I hope that this time, action is finally taken, and we can move on like the rest of the world.

DISCUSSION (100)

crowmolly > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:06

I hope they address the issues with using the no-fly list as a source of names. Everything else is great to me. Not that.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:07

How about due process? With the proposed legislation, Nelson Mandela and Cat Stevens would be unable to buy a gun, but Omar Mateen would still have been able to. Do members of Congress ever do anything other than sit on their ass though? I don’t see how this is any different from a normal “work” day for them.

Jcarr > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/22/2016 at 14:09

Exactly this. There are children on the no-fly list.

I’m not opposed to making the purchasing process more stringent, but this is not the solution.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:11

I agree, I’m just completely done with this dangerous piece of the American experience.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:13

I’m all for *REASONABLE AND COMMON-SENSE* gun control, really, I am, but the current proposals are reactionary bull-shit and people need to C the F O, (by all means ignore the fuck out of whatever the NRA says) and make some rules a little later when people have calmed down a bit.

Hearts are in the right place, but minds need to be rational before decisions are made.

HammerheadFistpunch > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:13

For the information of people reading this thread - Political posts are fine/encouraged here as long as they are done like you’ve done; Give us a heads up before jumping in. I think its absolutely something we should talk about. That being said; people who can’t handle a civil discussion in these threads will be subject to enforcement of the rules. Be excellent to each other peeps.

My citroen won't start > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:13

At this point in time I’d like to thank every Republican and the few Democrats with NRA money in their pockets for being the greatest assholes ever.

For Sweden > Jcarr
06/22/2016 at 14:15

Maybe those kids are terrorists?

/not a serious question

For Sweden > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:16

I question the Democrat’s commitment to gun control when they voted against two gun control measures in the Senate earlier this week.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:16

Maybe you’re a terrorist.

For Sweden > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/22/2016 at 14:17

Maybe I am!

/just joking NSA

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:18

Have any flights booked? Might want to cancel them now.

Jcarr > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:18

From time to time I believe I could classify my son as one.

LongbowMkII > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:18

Curse you, you Swedish Ultranationalist!

Your crimes of bringing affordable yet stylish furniture in amazingly tiny boxes will not go unpunished!

Party-vi > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/22/2016 at 14:18

A dead guy and a Brit. That’s cool with me.

whoarder is tellurium > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:19

Just goes to show how useless congress has become. They should be kicked out of the House ASAP.

These so called politicians having tantrums because of a vote need to be punished for acting like children and impeding government.

whoarder is tellurium > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/22/2016 at 14:20

They just really want to get re-elected. “Look, we staged a sit-in! Look what we did! See, we’re so totally fighting for youuu”

GE90man > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:21

idk, but nice Bentley gt3r

LongbowMkII > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t
06/22/2016 at 14:21

It’s kind of hard. the country’s attention span is very limited— Holy Crap Cleveland Won A Championship!

Anyways there’s not going to be a “good” time to bring it up.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi
06/22/2016 at 14:22

The bigger issue is that they were on the no-fly list to begin with. Cat fucking Stevens. He wrote a song about it. He felt sorry for the guy who had to pull him off the plane. It’s like, can you be just a little less nice please? It’s kind of weirding me out.

djmt1 > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:24

Out of curiosity, can I just roll up stateside and straight up buy a gun? The way you lot have been going on about it lately makes it sound like guns are pretty much like booze went it comes to availability.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:24

CONGRATULATIONS! You are now a proud member of the “No-Fly Club”.

* Your membership is for life and is non-revocable.

** Visits from the FBI, CIA, NSA, DOT, and/or any other federal bureau may or may not occur

*** Your phone calls, emails, texts, and any other electronic means of communication may or may not be under surveillance

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > LongbowMkII
06/22/2016 at 14:25

ugh. you’re not wrong about the attention-span issue...

spanfucker retire bitch > Jcarr
06/22/2016 at 14:25

If the no-fly lists and terrorist watch lists were - in theory - perfect, then I’d have no problem with the law. But we all know they aren’t and there are tons of innocent people on both of those lists.

The best thing right now is for expanded background checks on all purchases and removing the gun show loophole. But neither of those are politically plausible because they don’t have “terrorists can buy guns” as a news quip and the NRA is against both of those propositions despite the vast majority of Americans being for them.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:26

I question any politician’s commitment to anything apart from their own self interest. Except Bernie. That guy’s legit. Not a fan, but he’s definitely the real thing.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/22/2016 at 14:26

You worry too much. So long as the government keeps us “safe”, we don’t need the constitution! The government has nothing but the best intentions for all of us law abiding people!

Kinja'd!!!

whoarder is tellurium > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:27

spanfucker retire bitch > whoarder is tellurium
06/22/2016 at 14:27

Yeah, nah. If the bill loses on the floor then so be it, but to keep it from even reaching the floor is just asinine. Vote for it or vote against it.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:27

They voted against those measures because those bills were so gutless:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/w…

BigBlock440 > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:29

Yes, take action, vote this shit down, then move on.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts.
06/22/2016 at 14:29

We have always been at war with Eastasia!

Berang > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t
06/22/2016 at 14:30

The problem is, by the time everybody cools off there’s probably going to be another mass shooting with 10+ people dead. Beside that, it’s really something that should have been taken care of years ago, but people keep kicking the can down the road.

Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S. > HammerheadFistpunch
06/22/2016 at 14:30

Thanks for the heads up, glad to hear I followed protocol. I wasn’t sure if this would’ve been better suited for the Cigar Lounge, but i knew I would get more response here. If things go ary, you can, or I will, gladly shut down the post.

whoarder is tellurium > spanfucker retire bitch
06/22/2016 at 14:30

This happens all the time. You just don’t hear about it.

For Sweden > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch
06/22/2016 at 14:30

A quote from that article discussing one of the Republican-proposed amendments:

Under this bill, if you’re on that list and try to buy a gun, you’d have to wait 72 hours. The idea is to give federal officials time to convince a judge there’s probable cause you have ties to terrorism while still protecting the 2nd Amendment rights of anyone who is mistakenly on a terrorist watch list — like the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) once was.

How is this gutless?

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/22/2016 at 14:32

You don’t have to like Bernie to understand that he actually gives a shit. I *DO* like Bernie. I’ll stop there.

jariten1781 > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:32

If they want to remove or greatly restrict a codified right maybe they ought to, you know, use the procedures provided to amend the constitution rather than having pity parties on the floors of Congress.

Just sayin'

BigBlock440 > djmt1
06/22/2016 at 14:33

No, you can’t. But that’s the reason it’s such a big issue now, because people are incredibly misinformed and are calling for laws and regulations that already exist.

Stapleface > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/22/2016 at 14:34

You know, maybe it’s all For Sweden’s fault there’s no Saab anymore.

You Monster!

Berang > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:36

Possibly because lots of states already have waiting periods.

Party-vi > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/22/2016 at 14:37

You can thank Israel and crappy Arabic name translations for the Stevens issue (he’s off the list now btw). Also, Mandela was co-founder of a so-called “terrorist organization” according to the United States and South African governments at the time, so there’s that. I’ve been on the no-fly list for having the same name as another person included on the list. It’s no fun.

Berang > whoarder is tellurium
06/22/2016 at 14:38

They’re not impeding government - they are government. For better or worse.

djmt1 > BigBlock440
06/22/2016 at 14:38

Fear breeds misinformation.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:39

I prefer the democrats proposal, but this was at least a step in the right direction.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > djmt1
06/22/2016 at 14:40

From a private individual yes. from a store no

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi
06/22/2016 at 14:41

Well, his name is Joe Islam. I’d kick him off a plane too.

For Sweden > Berang
06/22/2016 at 14:42

It’s not a “cool off” waiting period. It is a waiting period that gives the Federal Government a chance to ask a judge for a long-term restriction of gun sales to that individual.

Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S. > djmt1
06/22/2016 at 14:42

Yes and no. It really depends on where you are purchasing them from. Some states and dealers are better than others. But in Iowa here, for example, people sell weapons in facebook groups. You don’t need a license to own, or sell weapons.

For Sweden > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch
06/22/2016 at 14:43

What do you prefer in the Democrat’s proposal?

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Berang
06/22/2016 at 14:44

if everyone would stop listening to the fuck-sticks at the NRA we would have passed *FAIR AND REASONABLE* laws years ago...

/a gun owner who will *NEVER* be an NRA member.

LongbowMkII > Party-vi
06/22/2016 at 14:45

Party-vi sounds like a pretty suspicious name....

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:47

It defaults to “No” which, while controversial, is safer.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Stapleface
06/22/2016 at 14:47

Just tell me who to direct my internet rage at.. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS??

Party-vi > LongbowMkII
06/22/2016 at 14:48

I’m shady as fuck in real life.

whoarder is tellurium > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:50

You make it sound as if I can just deal and sell all day long. I cant. I’d need an FFL.

“...you will need a license if you repetitively buy and sell firearms with the principal motive of making a profit. In contrast, if you only make occasional sales of firearms from your personal collection, you do not need to be licensed.” - ATF

Do people still do it against the regs? Yes. But the regs are already in place.

Jcarr > My citroen won't start
06/22/2016 at 14:50

If I recall, you’re from Brazil, which has only about 10 firearms per 100 people. Yet, Brazil’s homicide rate is about 5 times that of the U.S., even though the U.S. has almost 90 firearms per 100 people.

Kinja'd!!!

Source

For Sweden > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch
06/22/2016 at 14:50

Defaulting to “No” would go against the foundations of American law.

Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S. > whoarder is tellurium
06/22/2016 at 14:53

I was referring more to the sale of personal weapons. My neighbor went out and bought a set of Glocks of CL. Never fired a gun in his life until then.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:53

You’re not arresting them though, I think there should be a due process time limit however 72 hours is awfully short.

My citroen won't start > Jcarr
06/22/2016 at 14:54

Yes, if we had more guns we’d all be dead. A ban on guns was introduced and by account we avoided 200.000 homicides since the introduction of the law.

The high rates are a result of a corrupt and violent military police department, corrupt politicians, war on drugs and the massive income inequality.

For Sweden > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch
06/22/2016 at 14:55

I’m sure the hours available for due process to proceed is more negotiable than due process itself.

And “the executive branch unilaterally restricting your rights” is pretty close to arrest.

Rico > spanfucker retire bitch
06/22/2016 at 14:55

My question is this, let’s say someone is some how accidentally on that list (how does that happen anyway?) and they decide to go try to buy a gun, what would be the problem with them needing to wait or be investigated first to be absolutely sure it’s okay for them to buy it?

I feel like the amount of people on the list who actually want to go to a gun store and buy a gun is so minuscule that it could work on a case by case basis.

whoarder is tellurium > Berang
06/22/2016 at 14:55

We the people still have the right to alter or abolish current government. Especially if its not following its own rules and regulations.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:57

We can agree on that. Compromise FTW?

whoarder is tellurium > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 14:57

Well, it still holds true but I understand what you’re getting at.

For Sweden > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch
06/22/2016 at 14:58

No, compromise was voted down earlier this week.

Berang > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 14:58

Which is something they can’t do during existing waiting periods.

Berang > whoarder is tellurium
06/22/2016 at 14:59

If it didn’t happen when they were pulling shit like the patriot act, it’s not going to happen for anything else.

For Sweden > Berang
06/22/2016 at 15:00

Then why wouldn’t the Democrats support the bill?

spanfucker retire bitch > Rico
06/22/2016 at 15:00

If it works like the list currently does, they’d simply be denied and never told why, nor who to contact to see why they’re on the list, or how to get off of it if they’re on there by mistake.

I’m as pro gun-regulation as you can probably find, so it pains me to be agreeing with the conservatives in Congress on this matter, but the terror/no fly list is absolutely opaque with no real set of standards on how to figure out how your name got on there in the first place or how to remove it.

Regardless of the discussion for more gun control, the whole no fly list needs to be completely revamped from top to bottom. Because right now, there is no “case by case basis.” There’s just “contact enough news organizations, congressman and senators and hope the publicity is enough to make the three-letter organizations realize they made a clerical error putting you on the list in the first place.”

Jcarr > My citroen won't start
06/22/2016 at 15:02

If criminals and corrupt officials are still using guns, how does preventing law-abiding citizens from having them help?

For Sweden > spanfucker retire bitch
06/22/2016 at 15:02

One reason expanded background checks aren’t possible is that lawmakers won’t allow private sellers to access the background check system.

Berang > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 15:02

Because it’s gutless?

For Sweden > Berang
06/22/2016 at 15:03

How is the ability for a judge to block gun sales based on evidence gutless?

My citroen won't start > Jcarr
06/22/2016 at 15:07

What are the “law-abiding” citizens going to do? Shoot the criminals and corrupt cops?

That does not solve the problem, you just get more people in danger.

What if these law abiding citizens are massive racists (which most of the rich population in this country clearly is)?

Rico > spanfucker retire bitch
06/22/2016 at 15:09

There should certainly be a way to know if you are on it or not and a way to appeal for sure. My thing is, they are fighting to “protect the 2nd amendment” when many city laws outright violate it. In NYC the only way to get a legal gun if you aren’t a cop or armed security is the gargle the balls of the NY Deputy Inspector and hope to get a license which would never happen. I don’t see Congress attacking these Constitution defeating laws that are in place in many major cities.

Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S. > whoarder is tellurium
06/22/2016 at 15:12

Mainly, I just want regulations to be put on how firearms of all grades can be bought and sold. Make all sales come from govt. registered dealers, have a national database of all weapons in circulation, prohibit personal sales and purchases, institute limitations on types of weapons that can be purchased legally, require more intensive background checks, and institute an optional no questions asked buy back of all firearms.

For Sweden > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
06/22/2016 at 15:13

If the buyer is “rolling up stateside” and not a resident of the state, then the sale is not legal.

whoarder is tellurium > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 15:19

There are already plenty of limitations on types of weapons that can be purchased. (See mostly: NFA 1934, GCA 1968 and FOPA 1986)

There are already background checks at State and Federal levels.

FFL dealers at various levels are registered by the ATF which is a government agency and must submit to the ATF.

Private transfers aren’t the issue at hand. A majority of these mass shootings are using firearms that were legally purchased through a dealer and had background checks that were passed and cleared. Some on multiple stringent levels.

Tekamul > djmt1
06/22/2016 at 15:23

No, you cannot just roll up stateside and buy one.

But if you lived here, yes you could absolutely just buy one from anybody, as long as it’s a ‘one-off’ situation, and they’re not in the habit of selling guns.

Or if they’re related to you.

samssun > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 15:24

A national database is always followed by confiscation, hence people’s opposition to it. As far as “more intensive” background checks, since they already cover crimes that prohibit ownership, you’re pretty much talking about letting government subjectively decide, meaning 2A is gone as a right and becomes a privilege. California is losing lawsuits for doing this with concealed carry.

Tekamul > My citroen won't start
06/22/2016 at 15:27

What are the “law-abiding” citizens going to do? Shoot the criminals and corrupt cops?

This is exactly it. This is what gun rights activists think is going to happen. If enough ‘good guys’ with guns are around, they’ll provide vigilante justice at a higher quality than organized, planned, well funded police forces.

Unfortunately, statics show that really their just going to shoot someone looking for directions, or a friend or family member accidentally, or spouse out of rage, or leave a gun lying around so their small children can shoot themselves or others.

My citroen won't start > Tekamul
06/22/2016 at 15:30

This, exactly!

The solution to the “too many people are being killed by guns” problem is never going to be more guns.

Tekamul > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t
06/22/2016 at 15:30

The problem is that there has been 0 progress in so long. Even if the current measures are hollow, they would at least show that change is possible.

The current mindset is that any change is a non-starter with so many politicians.

Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S. > samssun
06/22/2016 at 15:31

Why does bearing arms have to be a right, not a privilege? I was brought up in a home where I was taught most things in life (school, driving, etc) are privileges, not rights. We have come to a point as a civilization where the need for guns as personal items is decreasing.

Shane MacGowan's Teeth > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
06/22/2016 at 15:53

Might want to check your laws- I know at least in Tx that both private individuals would be committing a crime in that hypothetical.

spanfucker retire bitch > Rico
06/22/2016 at 16:14

The courts have determined multiple times that cities are allowed to regulate gun ownership. If the constitutional court decides it’s OK, it’s not unconstitutional regardless of your beliefs on the matter.

I’d love the kind of political fundraising we have today to be illegal and unconstitutional, but Citizens United determined that it wasn’t and as much as I disagree with the decision, it is what it is.

spanfucker retire bitch > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 16:14

There’s a litany of reasons why it isn’t seeing the light of day, certainly.

Rico > spanfucker retire bitch
06/22/2016 at 16:20

The whole system is dumb. Legal here not legal there, illegal there but legal here etc. I know the US was founded on these beliefs but some States are downright stupid like with the law regarding transgender bathroom usage. It’s like you can go from law abiding citizen to public enemy #1 just going State to State.

spanfucker retire bitch > Rico
06/22/2016 at 16:25

I’ve always been for greater centralized authority with the Fed. Especially when it comes to public education. The difference between states like NY, and California with states like Missouri, Alabama, and Utah is more than just funding - it’s a difference between trying to push empirical data or theocratic beliefs and nonsense like “intelligent design.”

It’s a massive detriment to any child that goes to public schools in those states who have school boards and state legislatures that actively fight against any kind of science education. Or better yet, have state senators complain about the “Unamerican” education that is taught in schools - like teaching about the trail of tears - because it puts American history in a “negative light.” The differences are stark and frightening for public education between states; and that’s just one major institution.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > whoarder is tellurium
06/22/2016 at 16:33

Criminals not following laws, they wouldn’t do that, would they?

whoarder is tellurium > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
06/22/2016 at 16:41

Unthinkable!

/sarc

Rico > spanfucker retire bitch
06/22/2016 at 16:42

Oh yeah education in this country has hit an all time low. We’d rather fund unwinnable wars than education. Poor education, lack of funding for schools AND teachers, lack of community programs and centers the whole thing is a fuckin mess. It’s never going to get better because there is no money in it so everyone is disinterested.

Jcarr > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 16:47

Did he have a permit to acquire? If he didn’t, then he broke the law. If he did, then that means he was subject to a background check by his local sheriff’s office.

For Sweden > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 18:37

You could certainly argue for gun ownership to be a government-regulated privilege instead of a natural right, but making that law in the USA would require a constitutional amendment, which no lawmaker has introduced.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Shane MacGowan's Teeth
06/22/2016 at 20:31

Here in MI pretty sure if its not a pistol all you need is a bill of sale

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > For Sweden
06/22/2016 at 20:31

May not be but still could easily get one.

samssun > Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S.
06/22/2016 at 21:32

Because the one thing that set this country apart from the rest of the world was that individuals have fundamental freedoms, and government is restrained from treating them like peons. We have a Bill of Rights, not a Bill of Needs, or Bill of Mob Rule, or Bill of What Bureaucrats Decide to Allow.

It’s worked pretty well but we keep chipping away at limits on government’s overreach, as if there aren’t enough places that run people’s lives. I’d rather keep limits on government because once you let it scrap the rights you don’t care about, there’s little to stop the control freaks who decide to come after the ones you do value.

Shane MacGowan's Teeth > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
06/23/2016 at 08:46

Quick google brought up that the sale is illegal if the buyer is:

Prohibited from possessing , using, transporting, selling, purchasing, carrying, shipping, receiving, or distributing a firearm under Michigan law. 3

So no, you can’t sell to a foreign visitor legally.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Shane MacGowan's Teeth
06/23/2016 at 15:27

ah ok. I figured it was illegal but still very easy to sell one and no one will know because pistols are the only thing registered